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		<title>By: Eco-friendly Conference Attendance</title>
		<link>http://zak.greant.com/making-event-attendance-worthwhile/comment-page-1/#comment-449</link>
		<dc:creator>Eco-friendly Conference Attendance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 16:35:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] exhaustive list of good eco-friendly conferenct tips, check out Zack Greant&#8217;s post &#8220;20000 km, $7000, 7 Days and 4 tons of CO2 (or, &#8216;Making Event Attendance Count&#8217;)&#8220;.  //OBSTART:do_NOT_remove_this_comment var [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Chuck Burgess</title>
		<link>http://zak.greant.com/making-event-attendance-worthwhile/comment-page-1/#comment-448</link>
		<dc:creator>Chuck Burgess</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2008 02:11:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m really proud of the response in the PHP community that your post has triggered.  I&#039;ve so far seen at least two other serious conference-goers making similar efforts.  I&#039;m not much of a traveler myself, but my TerraPass&#039;d 4-cylinder car and my house full of CFL and LED light bulbs will be with you in spirit as you guys do your CO2-responsible traveling :P</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m really proud of the response in the PHP community that your post has triggered.  I&#8217;ve so far seen at least two other serious conference-goers making similar efforts.  I&#8217;m not much of a traveler myself, but my TerraPass&#8217;d 4-cylinder car and my house full of CFL and LED light bulbs will be with you in spirit as you guys do your CO2-responsible traveling <img src='http://zak.greant.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Polymorph: SCALE 6x: Getting There</title>
		<link>http://zak.greant.com/making-event-attendance-worthwhile/comment-page-1/#comment-446</link>
		<dc:creator>Polymorph: SCALE 6x: Getting There</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Feb 2008 23:11:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] you read my post on getting the most out of conference attendance, you know that I&#8217;m trying to reduce the environmental costs associated with my conference [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] you read my post on getting the most out of conference attendance, you know that I&#8217;m trying to reduce the environmental costs associated with my conference [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Chuck Smith</title>
		<link>http://zak.greant.com/making-event-attendance-worthwhile/comment-page-1/#comment-447</link>
		<dc:creator>Chuck Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2008 07:27:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, thought you might be interested in the Dopplr Offsetr which calculates how much CO2 is consumed by your Dopplr travels: http://www.nodesnoop.com/offsetr/  I&#039;ve always been leery of these CO2 donation organizations though, where do you donate to offset your costs?

In the meantime I&#039;ll be sweeping through the minefield of the Internet...  ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, thought you might be interested in the Dopplr Offsetr which calculates how much CO2 is consumed by your Dopplr travels: <a href="http://www.nodesnoop.com/offsetr/" rel="nofollow">http://www.nodesnoop.com/offsetr/</a>  I&#8217;ve always been leery of these CO2 donation organizations though, where do you donate to offset your costs?</p>
<p>In the meantime I&#8217;ll be sweeping through the minefield of the Internet&#8230;  <img src='http://zak.greant.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Polymorph: Mozilla Foundation Report for January 2008</title>
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		<dc:creator>Polymorph: Mozilla Foundation Report for January 2008</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2008 01:43:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] up a general plan to help us get good value from the events we participate in. The plan includes some thoughts on greening up our conference attendance and [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Paul Meagher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Meagher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Feb 2008 00:51:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess I made a mistake on my math :-)

It is actually about a .5 multiplier you should use on air mileage to compute CO2 tonnage.  I was doing a ratio of mileage to tonnage (approx .84) when I should have been doing a ratio of km to tonnage (approx .51).  Read the columns in the data sheet too quickly. So Zak is approx correct.

Bradley - thanks for helping me discover my error. Sorry Zak.

You made an interesting point about flying cheaper.  Flying with full capacity would be better than flying with less than full capacity.  Not sure of the relationship of capacity to price however if it is as you suggest then your argument would follow.

I also noticed that in my data table they are using the same multiplier irrespective of whether you are taking a short flight or a long flight.  I suspect this is a simplification - the number of takeoffs and landings is probably a significant factor as well.

FYI, in a few weeks I will be doing some &quot;Green Math&quot; on my website when things become a little bit less busy for me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess I made a mistake on my math <img src='http://zak.greant.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>It is actually about a .5 multiplier you should use on air mileage to compute CO2 tonnage.  I was doing a ratio of mileage to tonnage (approx .84) when I should have been doing a ratio of km to tonnage (approx .51).  Read the columns in the data sheet too quickly. So Zak is approx correct.</p>
<p>Bradley &#8211; thanks for helping me discover my error. Sorry Zak.</p>
<p>You made an interesting point about flying cheaper.  Flying with full capacity would be better than flying with less than full capacity.  Not sure of the relationship of capacity to price however if it is as you suggest then your argument would follow.</p>
<p>I also noticed that in my data table they are using the same multiplier irrespective of whether you are taking a short flight or a long flight.  I suspect this is a simplification &#8211; the number of takeoffs and landings is probably a significant factor as well.</p>
<p>FYI, in a few weeks I will be doing some &#8220;Green Math&#8221; on my website when things become a little bit less busy for me.</p>
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		<title>By: Bradley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bradley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Feb 2008 04:03:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>16 tons per 20000km seems to fail a basic sanity check:  If we assume that all of that CO2 came from burning jet fuel, then you would be responsible for burning around 4 tons of carbon, which is close to 4 tons of fuel.  A 777 carries 310 people and around 130 tons of fuel for about 10,000km.  Thus 20,000km is 260tons of fuel for 310 people.  Even if the plane is only 70% full, that&#039;s only 1 ton of fuel per passenger, or about 3 tons of CO2.  I haven&#039;t accounted for the overheads of how much carbon is released while refining the fuel, but that won&#039;t be much.  This website provides similar numbers:
 http://www.terrapass.com/flight/flightcalc.php

Another way to calculate this:  Cheap tickets cost about US$1000 per 20,000km.  I assume that the marginal increase in fuel consumption costs less than the ticket price. That $1000 will buy only about 400 gallons of jet fuel, which is about 1.5 tons of carbon. You may argue that I shouldn&#039;t use marginal fuel usage (see the post above), and you would be partly right.  But if you buy cheap tickets, you are guaranteed to be using only marginal fuel because you are helping to fill up an aircraft that was going to fly anyway.  If you buy the high-priced tickets you are encouraging the airline to  fly even if it cannot fill the aircraft.  If you must fly, perhaps the best thing you can do to improve your carbon footprint is to buy cheap tickets.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>16 tons per 20000km seems to fail a basic sanity check:  If we assume that all of that CO2 came from burning jet fuel, then you would be responsible for burning around 4 tons of carbon, which is close to 4 tons of fuel.  A 777 carries 310 people and around 130 tons of fuel for about 10,000km.  Thus 20,000km is 260tons of fuel for 310 people.  Even if the plane is only 70% full, that&#8217;s only 1 ton of fuel per passenger, or about 3 tons of CO2.  I haven&#8217;t accounted for the overheads of how much carbon is released while refining the fuel, but that won&#8217;t be much.  This website provides similar numbers:<br />
 <a href="http://www.terrapass.com/flight/flightcalc.php" rel="nofollow">http://www.terrapass.com/flight/flightcalc.php</a></p>
<p>Another way to calculate this:  Cheap tickets cost about US$1000 per 20,000km.  I assume that the marginal increase in fuel consumption costs less than the ticket price. That $1000 will buy only about 400 gallons of jet fuel, which is about 1.5 tons of carbon. You may argue that I shouldn&#8217;t use marginal fuel usage (see the post above), and you would be partly right.  But if you buy cheap tickets, you are guaranteed to be using only marginal fuel because you are helping to fill up an aircraft that was going to fly anyway.  If you buy the high-priced tickets you are encouraging the airline to  fly even if it cannot fill the aircraft.  If you must fly, perhaps the best thing you can do to improve your carbon footprint is to buy cheap tickets.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Meagher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Meagher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Feb 2008 01:00:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Green Conferences&quot; - I like the sound of that...

We might eventually achieve this by following the path that Rasmus has laid out as they are good ideas.     I think there is a gulf of execution, however, between the what Rasmus is envisioning and where we are now.  This is the first blog to raise awareness of the issue of green conferencing.

Strategically, I think the next step is to keep this flame alive.  Keep talking about it, keep blogging about it, keep doing the math to show this is unsustainable and unacceptable given what we now know about the probably consequences....

I&#039;ve always been bothered by Al Gore&#039;s movie which consists of him in a car or flying here or there to preach the reduced co2 gospel.  What gives might the right?  Buy some offsets and ease your conscience?  Because I&#039;m preaching the gospel I get a special break?

It&#039;s not going to be easy.  The path, however, involves keeping the discussion going IMO.

Regards,
Paul</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Green Conferences&#8221; &#8211; I like the sound of that&#8230;</p>
<p>We might eventually achieve this by following the path that Rasmus has laid out as they are good ideas.     I think there is a gulf of execution, however, between the what Rasmus is envisioning and where we are now.  This is the first blog to raise awareness of the issue of green conferencing.</p>
<p>Strategically, I think the next step is to keep this flame alive.  Keep talking about it, keep blogging about it, keep doing the math to show this is unsustainable and unacceptable given what we now know about the probably consequences&#8230;.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve always been bothered by Al Gore&#8217;s movie which consists of him in a car or flying here or there to preach the reduced co2 gospel.  What gives might the right?  Buy some offsets and ease your conscience?  Because I&#8217;m preaching the gospel I get a special break?</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not going to be easy.  The path, however, involves keeping the discussion going IMO.</p>
<p>Regards,<br />
Paul</p>
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		<title>By: Zak Greant</title>
		<link>http://zak.greant.com/making-event-attendance-worthwhile/comment-page-1/#comment-438</link>
		<dc:creator>Zak Greant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Feb 2008 10:17:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m also reminded about how Dan Bricklin (of VisiCalc and WikiCalc fame) attended one of SocialText&#039;s Wiki Wednesday events: there was a computer with a web-cam and a net connection set up on a table. Dan left a Skype session running between the systems. Any time that someone sat down, Dan was happy to chat with them. It wasn&#039;t that different that having Dan sitting across the table.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m also reminded about how Dan Bricklin (of VisiCalc and WikiCalc fame) attended one of SocialText&#8217;s Wiki Wednesday events: there was a computer with a web-cam and a net connection set up on a table. Dan left a Skype session running between the systems. Any time that someone sat down, Dan was happy to chat with them. It wasn&#8217;t that different that having Dan sitting across the table.</p>
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		<title>By: Zak Greant</title>
		<link>http://zak.greant.com/making-event-attendance-worthwhile/comment-page-1/#comment-440</link>
		<dc:creator>Zak Greant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Feb 2008 09:05:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Mozilla Corp./Mozilla Europe/Mozilla Japan folks organized something much like this for Mozilla24 (http://www.mozilla24.com), which I think that it came off brilliantly.

We dramatically cut the costs and waste associated with the event, while being able to involve people usually excluded from conferences for economic (and accessibility) reasons. For example, we were able to involve Thai students in the event - something that is basically impossible for any European or American tech event.

I&#039;ve been chatting about some ideas along these lines with John Robinson from the Center for Interactive Research on Sustainability (http://www.cirs.ubc.ca/) - I bet that between CIRS, Mozilla and some committed tech partners and a few friends with some funds, we could throw some events like this as a way to build skills in the area and set expectations from conference participants about how stuff like this should be done.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Mozilla Corp./Mozilla Europe/Mozilla Japan folks organized something much like this for Mozilla24 (<a href="http://www.mozilla24.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.mozilla24.com</a>), which I think that it came off brilliantly.</p>
<p>We dramatically cut the costs and waste associated with the event, while being able to involve people usually excluded from conferences for economic (and accessibility) reasons. For example, we were able to involve Thai students in the event &#8211; something that is basically impossible for any European or American tech event.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been chatting about some ideas along these lines with John Robinson from the Center for Interactive Research on Sustainability (<a href="http://www.cirs.ubc.ca/" rel="nofollow">http://www.cirs.ubc.ca/</a>) &#8211; I bet that between CIRS, Mozilla and some committed tech partners and a few friends with some funds, we could throw some events like this as a way to build skills in the area and set expectations from conference participants about how stuff like this should be done.</p>
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