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		<title>By: Chris DiBona</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris DiBona</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 20:21:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So if you do the math:

.8 (20% time) 
*
37.5 ( 75 hours per 2 weeks /2)
=
30 hours/week
* 1/12 (rough vacation)
=
27.5 hours/week. 

Which isn't a lot of time to dedicate to projects, honestly. You should look into how cygnus did things back in the day, they had a very interesting bonus/payments structure.  In fact, I'll email Gumby and point him at this. 

Chris</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So if you do the math:</p>
<p>.8 (20% time)<br />
*<br />
37.5 ( 75 hours per 2 weeks /2)<br />
=<br />
30 hours/week<br />
* 1/12 (rough vacation)<br />
=<br />
27.5 hours/week. </p>
<p>Which isn&#039;t a lot of time to dedicate to projects, honestly. You should look into how cygnus did things back in the day, they had a very interesting bonus/payments structure.  In fact, I&#039;ll email Gumby and point him at this. </p>
<p>Chris</p>
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		<title>By: Chris DiBona</title>
		<link>http://zak.greant.com/hacking-business-models/#comment-646</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris DiBona</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 19:08:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whuile I don't think this is totally perfecto, have you considered exposing the vip level, salary and other items to all employees of the firm? It seems that if you are going to go for the gusto on changing how companies work, you should go all the way to full disclosure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whuile I don&#039;t think this is totally perfecto, have you considered exposing the vip level, salary and other items to all employees of the firm? It seems that if you are going to go for the gusto on changing how companies work, you should go all the way to full disclosure.</p>
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		<title>By: Timour Katchaounov</title>
		<link>http://zak.greant.com/hacking-business-models/#comment-640</link>
		<dc:creator>Timour Katchaounov</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 13:24:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A lot of great ideas, however I wonder about these issues:
- I strongly disagree with making democratic decisions with respect to
  technical issues. This will prevent innovation. With respect to innovation,
  through the whole history of mankind the majority has been mostly wrong,
  and the minority of brave innovators were right. Technical decisions should
  be based on technical (both scientific and aesthetic) arguments, thus it
  should be possible that one person has the strongest arguments, and the company
  follows his/her suggestion.
- If we agree on a VIP (I really dislike the term), the VIP level should not
  be related to the position in the company (e.g. developer, manager, etc).
  It should be possible to remain "just a developer" and still be VIP,
  and it should be possible that operational managers have lower VIP
  than the people they manage. This will (partly) solve the issue with personal
  growth inside the company. On the other hand people with leadership
  positions must have a high VIP (e.g. architects).
- Have you considered how many customers (or what revenue) you would need in
  order to allow for e.g. a team of 20-30 employees live well? When you look at
  such numbers, Do you have product ideas that potentially can generate such
  revenue? In my rough estimates, such a team can cost somewhere between
  1.5M - 2.5M EUR. Do you have an idea how to make this much profit? (I don't want
  you to tell us the idea), just an honest answer if you believe it can be done.
- When considering salary levels in various countries, take into account that
  the lower the standard of living in a country, the more expensive it is to
  live in a similar comfort than in more organized countries with higher standard
  of living. Therefore employees that live in "cheaper" places, should be payed
  compared to the local standard much more than employees in richer countries
  where the state takes care of many more things. If employees cannot afford to
  live in equal comfort, they will naturally tend to emigrate (and thus possibly
  leave the company).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A lot of great ideas, however I wonder about these issues:<br />
- I strongly disagree with making democratic decisions with respect to<br />
  technical issues. This will prevent innovation. With respect to innovation,<br />
  through the whole history of mankind the majority has been mostly wrong,<br />
  and the minority of brave innovators were right. Technical decisions should<br />
  be based on technical (both scientific and aesthetic) arguments, thus it<br />
  should be possible that one person has the strongest arguments, and the company<br />
  follows his/her suggestion.<br />
- If we agree on a VIP (I really dislike the term), the VIP level should not<br />
  be related to the position in the company (e.g. developer, manager, etc).<br />
  It should be possible to remain &quot;just a developer&quot; and still be VIP,<br />
  and it should be possible that operational managers have lower VIP<br />
  than the people they manage. This will (partly) solve the issue with personal<br />
  growth inside the company. On the other hand people with leadership<br />
  positions must have a high VIP (e.g. architects).<br />
- Have you considered how many customers (or what revenue) you would need in<br />
  order to allow for e.g. a team of 20-30 employees live well? When you look at<br />
  such numbers, Do you have product ideas that potentially can generate such<br />
  revenue? In my rough estimates, such a team can cost somewhere between<br />
  1.5M - 2.5M EUR. Do you have an idea how to make this much profit? (I don&#039;t want<br />
  you to tell us the idea), just an honest answer if you believe it can be done.<br />
- When considering salary levels in various countries, take into account that<br />
  the lower the standard of living in a country, the more expensive it is to<br />
  live in a similar comfort than in more organized countries with higher standard<br />
  of living. Therefore employees that live in &quot;cheaper&quot; places, should be payed<br />
  compared to the local standard much more than employees in richer countries<br />
  where the state takes care of many more things. If employees cannot afford to<br />
  live in equal comfort, they will naturally tend to emigrate (and thus possibly<br />
  leave the company).</p>
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		<title>By: My Home is My Office (by Sandro Groganz)</title>
		<link>http://zak.greant.com/hacking-business-models/#comment-304</link>
		<dc:creator>My Home is My Office (by Sandro Groganz)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2007 17:36:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] and Zak formulated a set of principles and rules for running a Free Software/Open Source business. One rule they proclaim is: The Employee works in distributed company and may work from [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Polymorph: Conference Report: OpenMind &#38; MindTrek 2007</title>
		<link>http://zak.greant.com/hacking-business-models/#comment-305</link>
		<dc:creator>Polymorph: Conference Report: OpenMind &#38; MindTrek 2007</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Oct 2007 20:01:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Monty, MySQL co-founder and excellent cook - we disussed more ideas about open business models and open operations models [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Monty, MySQL co-founder and excellent cook - we disussed more ideas about open business models and open operations models [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Embracing Open Sources &#187; Launching a virtual company</title>
		<link>http://zak.greant.com/hacking-business-models/#comment-302</link>
		<dc:creator>Embracing Open Sources &#187; Launching a virtual company</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Oct 2007 18:05:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] MySQL&#8217;s internal model with eBox. Most of the things he said can be found in an entry of Zak&#8217;s blog (who was also at the event, by the way) but I would like to summarize the general [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] MySQL&#039;s internal model with eBox. Most of the things he said can be found in an entry of Zak&#039;s blog (who was also at the event, by the way) but I would like to summarize the general [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Karim Ratib</title>
		<link>http://zak.greant.com/hacking-business-models/#comment-303</link>
		<dc:creator>Karim Ratib</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Sep 2007 20:46:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Zak,

Nice post. My company practices many of the principles you mention, so positive reinforcement is satisfying. There are a few other questions to be discussed for entrepreneurs wanting to take this route, including:

* What are software business models that are compatible with these principles? The two broad categories are services and products. The first is process-intensive and for large projects, customers usually require guarantees such as (gasp) CMMi or (double-gasp) PMP certification, which lead to a set of values that are not traditionally linked with openness. The second, product-based, approach requires investing in building a piece of technology and competing against established, probably proprietary-software vendors who are making higher margins selling licenses, leading to a high risk of early death. MySQL is obviously a success story in the second category, but how many of those can make it to sustainability?

* Should venture capital be sought? What would be the convincing value proposition in the face of competing business plans with similar ideas but simpler (read: to make money faster and more reliably) software and intellectual property models?

* What is the ethical behaviour when 2 or more FOSS-based software companies work in the same area, and provide similar services? What does coopetition practically mean?

We've been live for 3 years but we don't have easy answers to those questions. In any case, it's more fun than being a Microsoft Gold partner!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Zak,</p>
<p>Nice post. My company practices many of the principles you mention, so positive reinforcement is satisfying. There are a few other questions to be discussed for entrepreneurs wanting to take this route, including:</p>
<p>* What are software business models that are compatible with these principles? The two broad categories are services and products. The first is process-intensive and for large projects, customers usually require guarantees such as (gasp) CMMi or (double-gasp) PMP certification, which lead to a set of values that are not traditionally linked with openness. The second, product-based, approach requires investing in building a piece of technology and competing against established, probably proprietary-software vendors who are making higher margins selling licenses, leading to a high risk of early death. MySQL is obviously a success story in the second category, but how many of those can make it to sustainability?</p>
<p>* Should venture capital be sought? What would be the convincing value proposition in the face of competing business plans with similar ideas but simpler (read: to make money faster and more reliably) software and intellectual property models?</p>
<p>* What is the ethical behaviour when 2 or more FOSS-based software companies work in the same area, and provide similar services? What does coopetition practically mean?</p>
<p>We&#039;ve been live for 3 years but we don&#039;t have easy answers to those questions. In any case, it&#039;s more fun than being a Microsoft Gold partner!</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Zaitsev</title>
		<link>http://zak.greant.com/hacking-business-models/#comment-306</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter Zaitsev</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 14:29:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very interesting...

A lot of Monty's ideas seems to match the rules used for MySQL years ago... or the ones which Monty tried to use.  It would be interesting to count how many are still used in the MySQL at this date.

The interesting challange is being small and efficient but at the same time being able to serve large markets, some of which may have difficulty dealing with small companies.

In my opinion these rules also mean the company should not go public (at least not to have significant portion of shares traded on stock exchange and held by institutional investors)  as if it does contolling investors will care about their return rather than anything else.

I do not generally agree with cost of living thing. In my opinion the choice of country where you live is same choice as neighrboohood just on the larger scale.  If american wants to move to china and get massive savings it should be his choice.   Same other way around.  Company may be only afford US level salaries for few positions - than so be it.

What should define salary is value person brings to the company, which can be geo based. For example consultant working in US and doing onsite jobs typically brings a lot of value due to his locality in this case salary should be adjusted.

I also think percentage numbers need to be adjusted in many cases but I simply treat these as samples
for many markets for example 5% whould not be enough to make any real Sales guy to work :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very interesting&#8230;</p>
<p>A lot of Monty&#039;s ideas seems to match the rules used for MySQL years ago&#8230; or the ones which Monty tried to use.  It would be interesting to count how many are still used in the MySQL at this date.</p>
<p>The interesting challange is being small and efficient but at the same time being able to serve large markets, some of which may have difficulty dealing with small companies.</p>
<p>In my opinion these rules also mean the company should not go public (at least not to have significant portion of shares traded on stock exchange and held by institutional investors)  as if it does contolling investors will care about their return rather than anything else.</p>
<p>I do not generally agree with cost of living thing. In my opinion the choice of country where you live is same choice as neighrboohood just on the larger scale.  If american wants to move to china and get massive savings it should be his choice.   Same other way around.  Company may be only afford US level salaries for few positions - than so be it.</p>
<p>What should define salary is value person brings to the company, which can be geo based. For example consultant working in US and doing onsite jobs typically brings a lot of value due to his locality in this case salary should be adjusted.</p>
<p>I also think percentage numbers need to be adjusted in many cases but I simply treat these as samples<br />
for many markets for example 5% whould not be enough to make any real Sales guy to work :)</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Blaylock</title>
		<link>http://zak.greant.com/hacking-business-models/#comment-317</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe Blaylock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jul 2007 13:44:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I fear that in my haste to push out my idea, I didn't make clear enough the link between genetic search and the echo-chamber effect.

When exploring a large problem space by stochastic process, there's no way to avoid local maxima - and in fact, no way to know that you've reached a local maximum, rather than the global optimum.  In particular, if you have a relatively isolated peak, it's common for many of your strings to asymptotically approach one another at that peak, and population diversity is lost.  This is the reason that many such search processes include a mutation operator - so that diversity can be added back into the population at a relatively steady rate.

So here, I'm assuming that a local maxima in the search space would be a company that's sustainable, but not (for want of creativity, or opportunity, or tolerance of chaos) doing its best.  Presumably, the company's had to be in the market for a while to get to this point, and the company rules have done their job well, and employee retention is high.  At this point, it's reasonable to assume that the company has reached a relatively stable state - unless something externally influences its genome (ie, staffing) or its niche (making the previous maximum less profitable), it's easy for the company to coast.

The sabbatical suggestion is an idea for introducing a self-selecting mutation operator - those conditions most indicative of financial stability are prerequisites for its exercise, and while the majority of the time it won't have an effect on company profitability, it will always have some small chance of seeding dramatic change.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I fear that in my haste to push out my idea, I didn&#039;t make clear enough the link between genetic search and the echo-chamber effect.</p>
<p>When exploring a large problem space by stochastic process, there&#039;s no way to avoid local maxima - and in fact, no way to know that you&#039;ve reached a local maximum, rather than the global optimum.  In particular, if you have a relatively isolated peak, it&#039;s common for many of your strings to asymptotically approach one another at that peak, and population diversity is lost.  This is the reason that many such search processes include a mutation operator - so that diversity can be added back into the population at a relatively steady rate.</p>
<p>So here, I&#039;m assuming that a local maxima in the search space would be a company that&#039;s sustainable, but not (for want of creativity, or opportunity, or tolerance of chaos) doing its best.  Presumably, the company&#039;s had to be in the market for a while to get to this point, and the company rules have done their job well, and employee retention is high.  At this point, it&#039;s reasonable to assume that the company has reached a relatively stable state - unless something externally influences its genome (ie, staffing) or its niche (making the previous maximum less profitable), it&#039;s easy for the company to coast.</p>
<p>The sabbatical suggestion is an idea for introducing a self-selecting mutation operator - those conditions most indicative of financial stability are prerequisites for its exercise, and while the majority of the time it won&#039;t have an effect on company profitability, it will always have some small chance of seeding dramatic change.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Blaylock</title>
		<link>http://zak.greant.com/hacking-business-models/#comment-319</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe Blaylock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jul 2007 13:15:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just at a first-blush reading, it puts me in mind of a genetic search over a complex problem topology.  Say that the error curve represents profitability, and then companies are like genomes.  The topology, and the companies, change and mutate over time, but always seek to maximize the profit function.  The reason this analogy strikes me as apt, is because I wonder if this environment wouldn't produce an echo-chamber effect.

So, I might suggest some kind of sabbatical program.  Maybe just for VIP{1,2}?  My thinking is that if a person has been with the company for a long time (say 5 years?) and is widely considered to be important to the company, and if they are widely considered to be a 'long-timer', then it's actually in the company's best interest to send that person away for a while.  Time spent writing a book, ski bumming, or working for another company is certain to change that employee and to make them somewhat different from what they were.  This can increase diversity, among the employees most likely to be mostly similar to one another.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just at a first-blush reading, it puts me in mind of a genetic search over a complex problem topology.  Say that the error curve represents profitability, and then companies are like genomes.  The topology, and the companies, change and mutate over time, but always seek to maximize the profit function.  The reason this analogy strikes me as apt, is because I wonder if this environment wouldn&#039;t produce an echo-chamber effect.</p>
<p>So, I might suggest some kind of sabbatical program.  Maybe just for VIP{1,2}?  My thinking is that if a person has been with the company for a long time (say 5 years?) and is widely considered to be important to the company, and if they are widely considered to be a &#039;long-timer&#039;, then it&#039;s actually in the company&#039;s best interest to send that person away for a while.  Time spent writing a book, ski bumming, or working for another company is certain to change that employee and to make them somewhat different from what they were.  This can increase diversity, among the employees most likely to be mostly similar to one another.</p>
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